From: Mittion@flinet.com
Category: General
Date: 21 Aug 2000
Time: 11:43:48
Comments

I spoke to His Grace Llywelyn last night, and we discussed the idea. He stated that he wanted to do something like this for years, and had some good ideas as far as legalities are concerned. It looks good. I think it is certainly doable.

From: William
Category: General
Date: 21 Aug 2000
Time: 17:49:19
Comments

Should I setup a page and or category for Legal implications?

From: mittion@flinet.com
Category: General
Date: 22 Aug 2000
Time: 10:51:30
Comments

I don't think that will be necessary, as all who participate will be covered by their membership waivers. I am afraid that we will have to exclude non-members, and should advertise that fact well in advance.

From: Maximillion von Weald
Category: General
Date: 22 Aug 2000
Time: 12:51:35
Comments

Would you have to exclude non-members? I mean, if you're not a member, you're not going to fight...

From: Sorcha Ni Dagda
Category: General
Date: 22 Aug 2000
Time: 17:30:46
Comments

Maximillion, I have to agree with His Excellency on restricting the event to members. The very nature of this event can cause situations in which combatants and non-combatants will contact one another. At any event, for waterbearers to be able to water fighters on the field they must be members. The whole site with very little exception will be the field. The membership waiver will be a must. I am sure that this will all be conducted in a safe manner for everyone involved so that they can have a good time, but accidents do happen.

From: Maximillion von Weald
Category: General
Date: 23 Aug 2000
Time: 10:14:52
Comments

The only reason I ask is that this event sounds like too much fun to exclude people who are non-members. However, there is wisdom in his excellencies words (as always). However, I would forward that anyone checking for membership would have to be quite regimented in checking, especially for those who plan to be fighting.

From: Sorcha Ni Dagda
Category: General
Date: 23 Aug 2000
Time: 21:53:48
Comments

My thought is that membership or lack there of probably will not exclude any one who wants to be involved. If this event is going to take a year in planning and execution it gives plenty of time for those who are interested to get their memberships. Also if as we are getting this information out there to people I think you will find that those who are really interested are already members. A chance to be in "high personna" will probably only appeal to people who have personna's. This is assuming that people established in Society have kept up their membership. Which really only benefits you in the long run.

From: William de Cordoba
Category: General
Date: 22 Aug 2000
Time: 20:22:17
Comments

I've been giving the non-member issue some thought and I was wondering if we can be that selective on decides to come. I am speaking from a corpora standpoint. (This may be one of those things that needs clarification further up the chain.) It has always been a hallmark of the SCA to not exclude non members from an officialy sanctioned event. As long as they pay the fees and sign the standard waiver, I am not sure sure we could enact such a ban. However once on site they are bound by the Rules governing the event. Due to the nature of this event I think we'd have to give alot of adavnce press and make it clear to those thinking about attending that this will NOT be like any event they have ever attended and much more will be expected out of the attendees than at your regular type event. Alot of folks like to go to events to socialize and hang out in funky clothes and watch what goes on or do their own thing. While thats OK (It what I do at 90% of the events I got to), this would not be that kind of event.

From: William de Cordoba
Category: Combat, Objectives
Date: 21 Aug 2000
Time: 18:03:17
 

There was a lot of discussion the other day and I'd like to retain as much of that as possible. One of the ideas that was discussed was Objectives of the Opposing forces Other than the "Base Camps" It was suggested that the other objectives would be:

A. A hay bale fort/guard tower midway between the two camps, the advantage of fighting at the tower would be that defenders die after 3 counted blows. Total time of Control could be added for both teams and compared (Similar to Domination tourney in Unreal)
B. An Abbey the team who controls the abby gets a discount on the Time Troops get to stay at Resurrection point also abbey may Heal Wounded fighters (Wounds are cumulative in the Game) 

C. Treasure House--Long lost Treasure House of the Ancients Must be protected, Team that hold Treasure house Gets half off any Ransom.

From: mittion@flinet.com
Category: General
Date: 22 Aug 2000
Time: 10:49:50
Comments

His Grace had some excellent ideas for the night fighting. As there is not society restriction on it other than that is must be done safely, he proposed that we provide lit paths on which to have patrols, ambushes, and guards. I think that we mush establish a system of "roads" to protect non-combatants. These roads could be lit with propane torches at intervals to keep the combat safe. Additionally, all groups of fighters must have a marshal present before combat can be resolved. I think that this is easily remedied by having a marshal in every war party or mission which may result in combat. In that way, we will not have to restrict combat archery either. I think that all marshals, or medically inclined personel, should wear the garb of the Templars, in order to make them very recognizable even from a distance in the dark. The roads will give stratgeic importance to these locations, and three roads, each from base to base, with the objectives in the middle will add much to the scenario, as well as keep the fighting from wandering off into stray corners of the camp. Just some more food for thought.

Mittion

From: William de Cordoba
Category: Combat, Objectives
Date: 22 Aug 2000
Time: 21:02:51
Comments

Having the roads as designated "Night" Combat Zones makes alot of sense since in real life control of roads was of strategic and tactical importance and only Brigands and Thieves traveled in the Woods at night. As for having a Marshal with every war party, logistically this may prove difficult as we always seem to have a problem finding authorized marshals for regular events. One possible solution is to Draft Fighters and have them work in Shifts. Since this will be going on all day and night there will be fighters who will not mind ditching the armour for an hour or two so everyone can keep playing. If you have say forty fighters (20/side) you could spare 3 guys per team (1 marshal per group of five)in rotating shifts. If you had 2 hour shifts then 20 fighters could cover appx 12 hours of fighting before the first batch has to rotate back into to marshaling, while leaving 17 fighters always ready for combat with a marshal available should they decide to split up for different missions. Of course this is a drastic solution and assumes that that there are no "Permanent" marshals attending the event.

From: Maximillion von Weald
Category: General
Date: 22 Aug 2000
Time: 12:49:04
Comments

However, would tiki torches necessarily be the best idea for such endeavors? True, the ambiance would be wonderful, however, the frequent 'no fire' bans in Florida coupled with the rain showers that are inherent to the climate would make it difficult to keep the torches lit and safe. While glo-sticks would be keen and enable just enough vision, they're not very period...perhaps containers that attempt to keep them period?

Non Combatants

From: Maximillion von Weald
Category: General
Date: 22 Aug 2000
Time: 11:16:43
Comments

As far as non-combatants are concerned, I would like to see some of the ideas of how to make a non-combatant  more 'involved' in the All Day War. My thought was that perhaps a non-combatant could be worth 'more' as a prisoner, and/or a non-combatant could have some sort of defensive measure against a combatant attempting to capture them. Also - could a non-combatant catch another non-combatant?

From: William de Cordoba
Category: General, Non Combatant Issues
Date: 22 Aug 2000
Time: 20:39:03
Comments

Good Point Max, While this event is designed primarily for the fighters, it would be naive of us to assume that non-combatants that are not Marshals, water bearers, chiurgeons etc. will not attend. Hence like any good story (and we will need a story I think to provide a backdrop) people must have a role to play. Non-Coms could camp in a designated "Village" and must be protected as part of the Victory conditions. They could like a ladies gallery in a Pas. Not only must you Win the battles but you must win the hearts and minds of the people that we are sworn to protect. That said Non coms could vote throughout the event on which side conducts themselves according to the principles of Chivalry. The side that has the most "points" at any given moment throughout the day could receive a bonus such as extra money to pay ransoms. Those that don't curry the favor of the populace shouldn't expect any fiduciary benefit and even be penalized (their money may be worth less). I don't know how workable that is but I thought I'd throw it out

From: William de Cordoba
Category: Non Combatant Issues
Date: 07 Sep 2000
Time: 10:25:18
Comments

I was talking to other people about Allday war and received the following suggestion on Non-Coms. It is assumed that spectators will want to watch the combat. The best way to facilitate this may be to take groups of spectators escorted by Marshals or Fighters. This way they may safely tour the battle area. whether or not they may be captured is another issue............

Theme and Storyline for the event

From: William de Cordoba
Category: Theme
Date: 22 Aug 2000
Time: 21:56:38
Comments

I was wondering what theme we should use to provide a context for our "festivities".... I rather like the idea of a Southern uprising, but while the quality of our troops is not in question there is that Quantity problem. The Northern Houses easily outnumber us and would make for a rather lopsided affair. While I like a heroic battle against desparate odds, it makes for a short war. On the other hand picking teams on the day of the battle smacks too much of a School yard Dodge ball game and doesn't lend to the atmosphere and "Atmosphere" is what this is all about. In other Kingdoms such internal affairs are seem to be governed by the territorial Barons who wield much more military control than ours do. Since Trimaris is more of a Tribal or Clan/House oriented Kingdom, any theme that we choose should reflect this. While Politics in general suck, this may give those House leaders with political bent a chance to Sharpen their alliance making skills in the months preceding the event and put it to good use trying to rally fighters to their cause (whatever that may be). An alternative of course (and this one is way out there) is to get the Baronies involved such a way that the local Barons would "Court" the Major fighting houses to come to their aid. Since the Barons are direct reps of the Crown, unifying fighting groups with Baronial Flags goes a long way toward Trimarian unity and the concept of a "Royal Army". (the advantages of which should be apparent vis-a-vis Gulf Wars or Pennsic) In either case the idea of a "Local" theme (Trimarians vs Trimarians) as opposed to a "Global" theme (English vs French), will give the event a little more immediacy, and help Trimarian fighters think more in terms of "WE" instead of "ME" As for the "WHY" we should be fighting, I think Count Mittion's Idea of Strong house or "Lost Treasure house" may be good way to expand upon the theme. Fighting For Gold is a time honored tradition and what better excuse than the "discovery" of an Ancient Treasure House somewhere in Trimaris and all those Bold enough to take the initiative are sending Troops to secure it. (Sounds like a Conan story...) anyways thats my thoughts, I'm getting delirious and need to stop typing.

From: William de Cordoba
Category: Theme
Date: 07 Sep 2000
Time: 10:35:55
Comments

The More I think about it the more I like the concept of a Trimarian civil war between the Barons. This way they, (the territorial Barons) could negotiate with the individual Trimarian houses and Shires for Troops. and just to make it intersting make it so the the losing Barony(ies) have to Provide certain number of Arrows/Combat supplies for Gulf Wars..... This hopefully would stimulate more Intershire/Baronial cooperation. and as I said in the earlier post, foster more military unity. I know it seems ironic that a civil war could promote unity but it could help us to organize ourselves a little better instead of scrambling every February to see what we've got